(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[25/900 Canadian] PW[aguilar1]PB[Conqueror1]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2009-01-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: buen juego Conqueror1 [4d\]: Hola ]RE[W+23.50] ;B[pd]BL[3578.585]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Clasificatorio Fujitsu ] ;W[pp]WL[3584.793] ;B[eq]BL[3455.373] ;W[dc]WL[3556.936] ;B[cp]BL[3417.36] ;W[ce]WL[3552.564] ;B[jc]BL[3317.541] ;W[ck]WL[3543.467] ;B[qn]BL[3231.327] ;W[nq]WL[3447.197]C[pototo120 [10k\]: hola eduardo elh [5d\]: hola elh [5d\]: ahora la jugada "moderna" seria R14 o R13 fengitreon [-\]: r14 ] ;B[rp]BL[2811.806]C[fengitreon [-\]: k3 ] ;W[qm]WL[3381.032] ;B[pm]BL[2769.883] ;W[ql]WL[3359.006] ;B[pl]BL[2531.246] ;W[rn]WL[3351.781] ;B[qo]BL[2498.264]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: normal joseki here ] ;W[qj]WL[3340.876] ;B[pk]BL[2486.083] ;W[qi]WL[3331.524] ;B[qq]BL[2477.257] ;W[pq]WL[3266.335]C[ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: some thinking time :) mauno [5k\]: nice slow game yes ] ;B[ro]BL[2286.346] ;W[kq]WL[3240.887]C[sedgwick [4d\]: r13 ] (;B[gc]BL[2142.263]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: either g17 or r14 ChemBoy613 [-\]: i can't type fast enough ] ;W[qc]WL[2895.874]C[shodansoon [-\]: good timing ] ;B[pc]BL[2062.243] ;W[qd]WL[2879.376] (;B[qb]BL[1999.177]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta creo que le facilita las cosas a Blanco ] ;W[qe]WL[2860.044]C[LaicepS [10k\]: i really dont understand r18 :/ Mohican [2k\]: me neither fengitreon [-\]: s LaicepS [10k\]: miss click ? ;) ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: yeah running from behind now, but can P14? Zeid [2d\]: s18 big LaicepS [10k\]: s18 is yose Zeid [2d\]: very big yose =) Jonka [7k\]: i think that side is bigger for b LaicepS [10k\]: i don't think he aims for p14 Codger [?\]: easy to reduce LaicepS [10k\]: because he wanted to radiate influence he would have push the other way EatWisdom [5k\]: i'm not sure that exchange was necessarily good for black. he can't really split the side for profit, i don't think EatWisdom [5k\]: maybe he'll show us in a bit EatWisdom [5k\]: haha fengitreon [-\]: j3 LaicepS [10k\]: r13 wouln't be a wise move imo ] ;B[pe]BL[1745.917] ;W[rb]WL[2844.859]C[LaicepS [10k\]: :s ] ;B[pb]BL[1724.566]C[polin [?\]: q6 will be... stevo [5k\]: lol r13 is slow LaicepS [10k\]: it is not slow fengitreon [-\]: q13 EatWisdom [5k\]: yeah it is LaicepS [10k\]: it threatens the black Q9 territory, it is just bad :/ polin [?\]: o11 ] ;W[pf]WL[2744.016]C[shodansoon [-\]: W+time stevo [5k\]: LaicepS just watch...you have a long way to go before saying what is a good move or not EatWisdom [5k\]: mostlikely. if anything tricky gets going, black won't have time to cope ChemBoy613 [-\]: B needs sente for this wall to be worth it LaicepS [10k\]: i'm not the one saying it ;) rats [3k?\]: that is a big time difference.. but i like slow games all the while pototo120 [10k\]: edu que te parece ??? ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: a long pushing battle would hurt Q8 shodansoon [-\]: i seriously doubt it will end on time, but time will be a factor when the real fighting starts elh [5d\]: a que te referis? shodansoon [-\]: B is gonna have to start playing fast soon ] ;B[qf]BL[1574.421]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: this doesn't work EatWisdom [5k\]: ithe question is will he pototo120 [10k\]: la partida EatWisdom [5k\]: haha ] ;W[rf]WL[2734.164]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: atari down worked :S elh [5d\]: esta mas o menos equilibrada shodansoon [-\]: atari down is not as good as this way though ChemBoy613 [-\]: why isn't as good? ChemBoy613 [-\]: this is less ko threats? shodansoon [-\]: because of p14 EatWisdom [5k\]: yeah ] ;B[of]BL[1439.308] ;W[qg]WL[2720.466]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: i like white now ChemBoy613 [-\]: top right result seems good for W Killergo [2d\]: sure Killergo [2d\]: but he is a bit low elh [5d\]: si, esto es malo para ;egro elh [5d\]: Negro Killergo [2d\]: still l16 for w seems severe Zeid [2d\]: i think b should have extend to r12 ChemBoy613 [-\]: hard for black to make a lot out of the moyo elh [5d\]: si iba a jugar asi, era mejor simplemente P14 play234 [-\]: bad for b Killergo [2d\]: this cant be called a moyo Killergo [2d\]: b has 3rd line themyr0n [3k\]: e15? gogina: if b p13 w c6 fengitreon [-\]: i like r12 zeid in that moment, shure it was a good move ChemBoy613 [-\]: e15 is odd Conqueror1 [4d\]: pensé dar atari ] (;B[ke]BL[1319.325]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: k14 ish play234 [-\]: l16 for w gogina: haha play234 [-\]: not anymore gogina: what the gogina: c6 ChemBoy613 [-\]: a little slow shodansoon [-\]: at least B gets some points gogina: k14 would be retard ChemBoy613 [-\]: should be nicer :S shodansoon [-\]: h3 gogina: k14 is 10k move Killergo [2d\]: surely c6 ChemBoy613 [-\]: yea c6 for white next gogina: i would c6 too, but now that a 2d said it i am not sure Killergo [2d\]: haha LaicepS [10k\]: c6 is just natural LaicepS [10k\]: then i guess c12 Zeid [2d\]: no ChemBoy613 [-\]: gogina needs manners Killergo [2d\]: no way Conqueror1 [4d\]: finalmente no me pareció buena tratar de hacer un moyo aguilar1 [6d\]: esta parece razonable ] ;W[cn]WL[2583.222]C[fengitreon [-\]: oh c6 Killergo [2d\]: id teach him some if hed be willing to play LaicepS [10k\]: well even I would have player here ^^ Achiles [4k\]: h3 gogina: politeness if for weak gogina: for the weak Killergo [2d\]: arrogance needs ot be earned ChemBoy613 [-\]: ettiqute is one of the most important aspects of go Killergo [2d\]: e15? themyr0n [3k\]: d14? blindman [1d?\]: d14? shodansoon [-\]: you think too much on the subject really, everyone knows its easy for a guest to talk big Achiles [4k\]: j3 fengitreon [-\]: d12? ChemBoy613 [-\]: was thinking c114? Killergo [2d\]: really? ChemBoy613 [-\]: well at least we are all looking on the left Killergo [2d\]: i thought e15 was vital point for both sides to expand gogina: why not c13 then? tatsumaru [1d\]: b is lagging fengitreon [-\]: h3 ChemBoy613 [-\]: c13 would come under attack too easy fengitreon [-\]: j3 for black h3 for white gogina: c13 as probe ChemBoy613 [-\]: no, c14 is a probe yithril [2d\]: man boring game gogina: leave then Killergo [2d\]: hehe ChemBoy613 [-\]: that's why we got a sensor function fengitreon [-\]: i like this beacuase there is time to coment Killergo [2d\]: same gogina: btw i guess c14 would kill aji ChemBoy613 [-\]: censor gogina: so i go c13 ChemBoy613 [-\]: i wish i could spell tatsumaru [1d\]: hmm, i'd play h3, but i know that w would f14 or so tatsumaru [1d\]: frustrating:) gogina: but c13 looks awful kyuish shodansoon [-\]: that time difference is going to start getting to B Zeid [2d\]: b must attack y guess ] ;B[dj]BL[1054.966]C[fengitreon [-\]: i am thinking in h3 as well gogina: nothing to be attacked Achiles [4k\]: oooh Weichafe [11k\]: =O shodansoon [-\]: B wants the center tatsumaru [1d\]: h3 too pasive i guess:) fengitreon [-\]: yes for now, Codger [?\]: w confident w lower right group GeorgeW [-\]: No, the problem with an invasion, is that black doesn't gain anything gogina: d9 of course ] ;W[dk]WL[2541.26]C[GeorgeW [-\]: If H3, he neglects the bigger area Killergo [2d\]: chem say b played g3 on bottom whats best way for w to expand f15 or f14? LaicepS [10k\]: white has the lead in territory if h3 he will be still behind ChemBoy613 [-\]: i thought e15 was the standard move GeorgeW [-\]: Lee Changho would have probably played something similar to e15 ChemBoy613 [-\]: see george ] ;B[ej]BL[990.047]C[tatsumaru [1d\]: :) gogina: oh if you know what changho would play you would be strong like him ] ;W[bi]WL[2530.517]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: middle game joseki Killergo [2d\]: yea shodansoon [-\]: he could be lee changho for all you know O.O ChemBoy613 [-\]: ancient joseki Killergo [2d\]: really? Killergo [2d\]: i guess i should be looking a newer pro games gogina: joseki? i thought was just a normal sequence ChemBoy613 [-\]: i think these are old :) haven't changed in ages Killergo [2d\]: what hs changed? Killergo [2d\]: ah ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, old but not outdated tatsumaru [1d\]: hmm, i'd tenuki now, can't think of a good move arround e14:/ ChemBoy613 [-\]: black should turn i think gogina: i would e9 for sure gogina: after e15 of course GeorgeW [-\]: It would be more interesting i think if black played f14 or similar move GeorgeW [-\]: Linking and creating the moyo LaicepS [10k\]: isn't it the right time for f15/e15 tatsumaru [1d\]: hmm, i think it can wait, this 9 ] ;B[hq]BL[868.051]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: nah fengitreon [-\]: oh h3 ChemBoy613 [-\]: black is saying "let's play yose" GeorgeW [-\]: Hmmm I dislike this plan gogina: g10 now! tatsumaru [1d\]: f15 looks too shallow, if you know what i man, Lai LaicepS [10k\]: h3 is yose ?? tatsumaru [1d\]: h3 not yose >< ChemBoy613 [-\]: yea tatsumaru [1d\]: :D ChemBoy613 [-\]: big yose gogina: g10 camon ] ;W[og]WL[2459.735]C[Killergo [2d\]: g10 silly gogina: blah ] ;B[nf]BL[856.883]C[gogina: g10 isnt retard tatsumaru [1d\]: g10 ambitious LaicepS [10k\]: why not o13 ? Killergo [2d\]: no just silly tatsumaru [1d\]: but can't b used without sht arround f14 gogina: aguilar certainly is looking forward g10 Killergo [2d\]: becasue he would nee to come back and ix Killergo [2d\]: fix Vinicius [1d\]: looking for Q6 Vinicius [1d\]: =p ] ;W[ng]WL[2382.989]C[gogina: q6 not yet Killergo [2d\]: oh b aiming at q6? ] (;B[mf]BL[844.352]C[fengitreon [-\]: i wonder, i know n17 is not a good move, but you think it will lead to something? gogina: camon g10! Killergo [2d\]: hehe nothing there Killergo [2d\]: this is blac cash Achiles [4k\]: q6 r9 miai LaicepS [10k\]: n17 ? tatsumaru [1d\]: yeah, n17 sly Killergo [2d\]: r9 notihng LaicepS [10k\]: i don't think a 9p could live here against conqueror1 fengitreon [-\]: yea, i guess that area is totally black aguilar1 [6d\]: esta creo que es un poco pasiva ] ;W[fl]WL[2331.855]C[gogina: f8 too safe tatsumaru [1d\]: what would you play instead? tooweak [6k\]: is this tournament game gogina: g10 tatsumaru [1d\]: g10 floating gogina: this is el torneo iberoamericano de go Killergo [2d\]: why do u guys even bother talking to him tooweak [6k\]: thanks santiago [-\]: nice spanglish LoonGame [1d\]: W preparing Q6 ? fengitreon [-\]: yes is a tournament game, is fujitsu something tournament gogina: heeh gogina: fujitsu qualifiers LaicepS [10k\]: q6 turns to obsession ... LoonGame [1d\]: ^^ ChemBoy613 [-\]: this is why black needs the turn ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: c10 looks like a failure, no? tatsumaru [1d\]: yes ChemBoy613 [-\]: c10? gogina: d13 ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: *d10 srt ChemBoy613 [-\]: nothing good at c10 Killergo [2d\]: f14? ChemBoy613 [-\]: oh ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: *sry LaicepS [10k\]: "don't push in a keima if you don't want to cut" ChemBoy613 [-\]: black forgot to finish joseki tatsumaru [1d\]: d13 seems risky PeterPan [4k\]: is Changho the same Chango Go player or your nurce? tooweak [6k\]: white leads? Codger [?\]: 1.5 points Killergo [2d\]: lol Codger [?\]: give or take 10 tatsumaru [1d\]: hmm, we'll see after this part of the gam, i think b was leading before ChemBoy613 [-\]: white + komi or so ChemBoy613 [-\]: just feeling LaicepS [10k\]: g10 ? tatsumaru [1d\]: hmm ] (;B[gj]BL[598.556]C[LaicepS [10k\]: o10 would be beautiful :) ChemBoy613 [-\]: o10? Killergo [2d\]: no lol Killergo [2d\]: i would eb terrible ^^ LaicepS [10k\]: just for some kind of symetric esthetic Killergo [2d\]: sigh and you impressed usall with your g10 Conqueror1 [4d\]: f14 ] ;W[ij]WL[2229.62]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: white aims at q6 rats [3k?\]: b 10 mins left Killergo [2d\]: its kinda obviousnow gogina: j10 same idea as my g10 Killergo [2d\]: no gogina: yes Killergo [2d\]: big difference LaicepS [10k\]: better argument Killergo [2d\]: f8 is there wich reduces a runing direction gogina: ok Killergo [2d\]: and o14 and p13 are in play to attack black Killergo [2d\]: when w cuts EatWisdom [5k\]: also, if white does cut q 6, doesn't this have a better chance for a splitting attack? EatWisdom [5k\]: or am i off in that thought? Killergo [2d\]: thats would be a bit hope ful i tihnk ChemBoy613 [-\]: white will place these stones for free in the middle during THIS attack and use them NEXT attack LaicepS [10k\]: f13 ? ChemBoy613 [-\]: i was looking at f13 as well fengitreon [-\]: around f13 area are good moves for both Killergo [2d\]: storng graspn on shapr for 10 kyu ] ;B[nn]BL[400.318]C[TheTuss [6k\]: huh LaicepS [10k\]: thanks \\o/ Achiles [4k\]: there goes q6 ; whats the cost? ChemBoy613 [-\]: peep and surround? Killergo [2d\]: probably Killergo [2d\]: still b gets off relatively easy LaicepS [10k\]: b is aiming for m3 ? Killergo [2d\]: doubt thta LaicepS [10k\]: i dont understand :/ aguilar1 [6d\]: esta me pareció correcta aguilar1 [6d\]: yo estaba apuntando a ese corte Conqueror1 [4d\]: si ] ;W[fd]WL[2092.195]C[Killergo [2d\]: just protecting cut in an active way Conqueror1 [4d\]: no queria ese corte ] ;B[gd]BL[289.55] ;W[ge]WL[2065.05] ;B[fc]BL[280.656]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: connect ALieNSHiPS [5k?\]: can a leaning attack be gote?!? aguilar1 [6d\]: todo esto creo que fue bueno ] ;W[ed]WL[2042.624] ;B[he]BL[268.368] ;W[hf]WL[2032.787]C[sirius45 [6k\]: is conqueror1 jaime from colombia? ] ;B[gf]BL[256.801] ;W[fe]WL[2029.008]C[vicius85 [2d\]: Hola a todos ] ;B[ie]BL[218.133]C[Killergo [2d\]: hola Conqueror1 [4d\]: si quedaste con un corte que me ayuda Conqueror1 [4d\]: pero ahora no se como seguir ] ;W[gg]WL[2020.868]C[vicius85 [2d\]: gogina, es el clasificatorio fujitsu pototo120 [10k\]: hola vicius85 [2d\]: jajaja, estaba en los comentarios de arriba y no entendia por que no salia mi mensaje :P TheTuss [6k\]: a veces pasa Killergo [2d\]: surely w +komi now ChemBoy613 [-\]: j9 i suppose vicius85 [2d\]: esta dificil para Jaime, toca esperar el yose y como se termina de desarrollar el medio juego aguilar1 [6d\]: si acá Blanco queda un poco mejor en las distintas variantes que vimos, significa que el problema estuvo en el fuseki Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: creo que Blanco quedó bien en el rincón superior derecho Conqueror1 [4d\]: gracias por la explicación aguilar1 [6d\]: igualmente aguilar1 [6d\]: saludos, hasta la próxima Conqueror1 [4d\]: listo Conqueror1 [4d\]: chao ] (;B[ii]BL[108.516]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: now that's an interesting idea vicius85 [2d\]: tabien de como ataque la banda de abajo, pueden salir puntos en el medio ] ;W[hi]WL[1959.82] ;B[hj]BL[106.173]C[gogina: no hay como atacar abajo ] ;W[gi]WL[1956.307]C[Killergo [2d\]: blanco esta bastabte solido a bajo santiago [-\]: ademas que blanco tiene el sente ChemBoy613 [-\]: atari? vicius85 [2d\]: si, pero de todos modos hay aji :D ChemBoy613 [-\]: hm no martinc [5k\]: f11 gogina: verdad TheTuss [6k\]: f11 gogina: e9 Killergo [2d\]: g8 vicius85 [2d\]: F10 fengitreon [-\]: h8 ChemBoy613 [-\]: well I was thinking f11 too LaicepS [10k\]: why not f11 ? ChemBoy613 [-\]: but the peep aji TheTuss [6k\]: because gives white f9 maybe vicius85 [2d\]: f11 f9 f10 j9 Killergo [2d\]: f11 weak tooweak [6k\]: b cannot go to top side vicius85 [2d\]: to risky ChemBoy613 [-\]: so i guess you guys are rifht tooweak [6k\]: w will enclose TheTuss [6k\]: h8 then Gorbag [4k\]: ¿esto es un tornoe? cirno [-\]: M9 seems safe. vicius85 [2d\]: si fengitreon [-\]: i guess b needs to escape by h8 or g8 ] ;B[gl]BL[877.26]OB[24]C[tooweak [6k\]: g8 Killergo [2d\]: i win TheTuss [6k\]: close ^^ Killergo [2d\]: hehe tooweak [6k\]: lol as i entered it gogina: ¿¿¿ gogina: me parece malo eso ChemBoy613 [-\]: this would be better if black had the ladder Killergo [2d\]: altho i admit gogina move was better vicius85 [2d\]: no es malo ChemBoy613 [-\]: what move was that? Killergo [2d\]: e9 ChemBoy613 [-\]: also thought about it TheTuss [6k\]: f8 LaicepS [10k\]: e9 then h8 ? fengitreon [-\]: e9 and then white e8 ] ;W[hl]WL[1890.167]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: like this one a bit better TheTuss [6k\]: ooo Killergo [2d\]: whoa gogina: :P gogina: j9 ahora gogina: creo que no hay que hacer fengitreon [-\]: yea j9 vicius85 [2d\]: Fernando quiere anular el potencial negro que para que no saque ningun punto el el centro TheTuss [6k\]: a ] ;B[ik]BL[790.287]OB[23]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: h8 was creative vicius85 [2d\]: H8 was usual vicius85 [2d\]: :P gogina: true fengitreon [-\]: h8 was h8 TheTuss [6k\]: h8 is 8h backwards :s gogina: k10 only EatWisdom [5k\]: breakin' da bamboo joint EatWisdom [5k\]: yea EatWisdom [5k\]: ....lol ChemBoy613 [-\]: i haven't seen it played when white is this thin ChemBoy613 [-\]: though i can see it's good TheTuss [6k\]: but it's aguilar after all ^^ Achiles [4k\]: g7 ] ;W[gm]WL[1798.758]C[TheTuss [6k\]: ooo! gogina: ah ChemBoy613 [-\]: take fengitreon [-\]: i was thinking in g7 too LaicepS [10k\]: k10 ? ChemBoy613 [-\]: k10 gogina: aguilar knows he is freaking ahead LaicepS [10k\]: ponuki in the center , 40 points ! gogina: creo que no hay mas como negro ganar eso LaicepS [10k\]: damn, white can have a ponnuki too, -39 points ChemBoy613 [-\]: not on thie board but ChemBoy613 [-\]: black ponnuki looks better than white ponnuki gogina: g9 ChemBoy613 [-\]: but if black connects white has all those cuts gogina: that is not true vicius85 [2d\]: D13? TheTuss [6k\]: mind games LaicepS [10k\]: wass just joking LaicepS [10k\]: i don't think white will take santiago [-\]: black ponnuki looks overconcentrated gogina: b should not allow w g9 fengitreon [-\]: why not, is just a point gogina: ponnuki in sente fengitreon [-\]: black cando better moving to the center or other parsts Achiles [4k\]: threaten g10 fengitreon [-\]: than g9 aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? Conqueror1 [4d\]: si Conqueror1 [4d\]: que opinas ] (;B[jj]BL[657.909]OB[22]C[Vinicius [1d\]: i think w will F10 if b take ] ;W[fj]WL[1794.147]C[gogina: jeje LaicepS [10k\]: hard time for black Achiles [4k\]: mhm martinc [5k\]: they had an hour of playing time? TheTuss [6k\]: yep LaicepS [10k\]: no 30 mn vicius85 [2d\]: Me gustaba mas D13, evitaba ese corte de cierto modo ] ;B[db]BL[508.213]OB[21]C[TheTuss [6k\]: no 1 h Conqueror1 [4d\]: miremos Conqueror1 [4d\]: y seguir peleando ] ;W[cb]WL[1779.209] (;B[eb]BL[387.341]OB[20]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: el problema de esto es que fue gote Conqueror1 [4d\]: si Conqueror1 [4d\]: ahi pudiste solucionar el centro ] ;W[gk]WL[1767.859]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: que es super gigante también aguilar1 [6d\]: de todos modos, esta parece dudosa ] (;B[bo]BL[368.568]OB[19] ;W[hk]WL[1762.745] ;B[ca]BL[339.399]OB[18] ;W[bb]WL[1735.444] ;B[bn]BL[333.505]OB[17] ;W[ir]WL[1728.559] ;B[hr]BL[326.289]OB[16] ;W[iq]WL[1725.568]C[vicius85 [2d\]: Aguilar gano con ese corte vicius85 [2d\]: muy grande eso ] ;B[qr]BL[268.109]OB[15]C[LaicepS [10k\]: did someone count ? tooweak [6k\]: does anybody see any moves for b to make use of q7 o6 and j9 stones ] ;W[hp]WL[1695.208]C[pototo120 [10k\]: y el tiempo a su favor ] ;B[gp]BL[258.543]OB[14] ;W[go]WL[1687.777] ;B[ho]BL[256.359]OB[13] ;W[ip]WL[1685.641] ;B[fp]BL[253.265]OB[12] ;W[hs]WL[1683.307] ;B[fr]BL[245.092]OB[11]C[LaicepS [10k\]: with the worst yose i counted white clearly ahead :/ AmerBeton [9k?\]: hum LaicepS [10k\]: but the diff is so huge i think i didn't count well ] ;W[fo]WL[1618.239] ;B[eo]BL[237.706]OB[10]C[coolidge [28k\]: 15-20 for w? fengitreon [-\]: e6 obious AmerBeton [9k?\]: good move LaicepS [10k\]: yes something like that gogina: n6 ? gogina: i would n6 AmerBeton [9k?\]: n13 TheTuss [6k\]: n5 Achiles [4k\]: n6 ftw ] ;W[en]WL[1527.318]C[gogina: n6 is so much cooler than n5 ] ;B[fn]BL[218.655]OB[9] ;W[gn]WL[1524.399] ;B[dn]BL[216.022]OB[8]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: lol fengitreon [-\]: e7 ] ;W[em]WL[1506.881] ;B[do]BL[198.326]OB[7]C[TheTuss [6k\]: o9 ] ;W[ij]WL[1470.362]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: omg TheTuss [6k\]: was that a please resign move? santiago [-\]: white lost his 20 point ponnuki coolidge [28k\]: I think that's a you are not going to get any points in the center move santiago [-\]: err, black ] ;B[ra]BL[124.174]OB[6] ;W[ps]WL[1458.144] ;B[rc]BL[109.155]OB[5] ;W[mo]WL[1451.647]C[coolidge [28k\]: Is it just me, or do b and w not seem to agree if it's middle game or yose? TheTuss [6k\]: tolda y an5 TheTuss [6k\]: :p ChemBoy613 [-\]: it's been yose for a long time AmerBeton [9k?\]: maybe w just want a draw ] ;B[lm]BL[84.19]OB[4]C[amycheetah [6k\]: don't think so xD gogina: w just won ] ;W[kn]WL[1416.223]C[Achiles [4k\]: j12 AmerBeton [9k?\]: l7 ] ;B[km]BL[50.313]OB[3] ;W[jm]WL[1363.341] ;B[ln]BL[44.174]OB[2] ;W[ko]WL[1355.606] ;B[jl]BL[41.99]OB[1] ;W[il]WL[1353.151] ;B[hj]BL[900]OB[25] ;W[kl]WL[1349.117] ;B[jk]BL[896.799]OB[24] ;W[nj]WL[1344.949]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: sbam ] ;B[if]BL[874.618]OB[23] ;W[hg]WL[1337.182]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: w+15 or so? ] ;B[bl]BL[857.747]OB[22] ;W[mk]WL[1298.488] ;B[lh]BL[830.061]OB[21] ;W[rm]WL[1274.683] ;B[bk]BL[791.063]OB[20] ;W[bj]WL[1267.661] ;B[gs]BL[733.524]OB[19] ;W[nm]WL[1244.54]C[CBlue [?\]: yes AmerBeton [9k?\]: ... mauno [5k\]: oh TheTuss [6k\]: hmm ] ;B[nl]BL[670.4]OB[18]C[fengitreon [-\]: n8 fengitreon [-\]: sorry ] ;W[on]WL[1219.161]C[fengitreon [-\]: i just think fast, and i am begineer, hehe santiago [-\]: don't you mean type fast? fengitreon [-\]: yes AmerBeton [9k?\]: lol ] ;B[om]BL[581.254]OB[17] ;W[no]WL[1207.795]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: just n7 TheTuss [6k\]: and the cut? AmerBeton [9k?\]: no cut santiago [-\]: q6 cut AmerBeton [9k?\]: osef santiago [-\]: and m9 cut Achiles [4k\]: again .. Vinicius [1d\]: why not Q6? :\\ AmerBeton [9k?\]: no way AmerBeton [9k?\]: b can m9 orp5 Achiles [4k\]: capture m7 TheTuss [6k\]: q6 ko? TheTuss [6k\]: ah nah CBlue [?\]: q6 Lothus [?\]: q 6 cut CBlue [?\]: q6 then t2 Lothus [?\]: poor black Lothus [?\]: should resign CBlue [?\]: well, actually q6, n8, t2 for b's continuation Lothus [?\]: :P TheTuss [6k\]: why n8 CBlue [?\]: better result imho TheTuss [6k\]: sssssssllloooowww CBlue [?\]: otherwise he might need to play ko for some stones ] ;B[pn]BL[313.302]OB[16] ;W[mn]WL[1203.009]C[TheTuss [6k\]: you meant for black? TheTuss [6k\]: like now? CBlue [?\]: yes TheTuss [6k\]: ah AmerBeton [9k?\]: +time ? ] ;B[ml]BL[288.181]OB[15]C[CBlue [?\]: all moves were meant for b, righty TheTuss [6k\]: ok ] ;W[lk]WL[1158.448] ;B[nk]BL[242.911]OB[14] ;W[mi]WL[1154.034] ;B[oj]BL[226.391]OB[13] ;W[oi]WL[1150.077]C[CBlue [?\]: M11? AmerBeton [9k?\]: it's over ] ;B[is]BL[137.224]OB[12]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: i don't know how b can get 20 points santiago [-\]: k12 CBlue [?\]: wL12 possible after this? AmerBeton [9k?\]: hum ] ;W[jr]WL[1050.961]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: q2 ? AmerBeton [9k?\]: :) TheTuss [6k\]: r9 AmerBeton [9k?\]: p5 ] ;B[mh]BL[67.708]OB[11] ;W[pj]WL[1044.72]C[tatsumaru [1d\]: r9 is good ] ;B[ok]BL[61.972]OB[10] ;W[li]WL[1039.157] ;B[jh]BL[50.149]OB[9] ;W[nh]WL[1032.312] ;B[pr]BL[47.798]OB[8] ;W[or]WL[1027.174] ;B[dm]BL[45.828]OB[7] ;W[qs]WL[1021.591] ;B[rs]BL[43.687]OB[6] ;W[os]WL[1019.536] ;B[rr]BL[40.683]OB[5] ;W[dl]WL[1017.237] ;B[rd]BL[37.038]OB[4] ;W[re]WL[1014.139] ;B[qk]BL[34.773]OB[3] ;W[rk]WL[1009.961]C[tatsumaru [1d\]: :) tatsumaru [1d\]: t18 ] ;B[ba]BL[29.286]OB[2]C[indianayk [5d\]: s16 was bad coolidge [28k\]: t18 tatsumaru [1d\]: time pressure AmerBeton [9k?\]: t18 ? tatsumaru [1d\]: sure tooweak [6k\]: read ] ;W[sb]WL[963.971]C[TheTuss [6k\]: hah aguilar could make a move to thinik ] ;B[ab]BL[26.328]OB[1]C[indianayk [5d\]: s16 could cost the game shiawase [5k\]: what does se say TheTuss [6k\]: se i scrazy TheTuss [6k\]: well not so much now tooweak [6k\]: se says d12 is a point for b GeorgeW [-\]: game was over before s16 mistake tooweak [6k\]: d11 AmerBeton [9k?\]: se weird GeorgeW [-\]: white had too much santiago [-\]: cuando se juega la fujitsu? ] ;W[bd]WL[857.895] ;B[ac]BL[900]OB[25] ;W[ki]WL[851.457] ;B[kh]BL[878.733]OB[24]C[AmerBeton [9k?\]: done AmerBeton [9k?\]: lee chang ho won ] ;W[ec]WL[824.659] ;B[fb]BL[870.336]OB[23] ;W[ig]WL[797.979] ;B[jg]BL[863.326]OB[22] ;W[ih]WL[770.103] ;B[ji]BL[859.216]OB[21] ;W[mm]WL[747.723] ;B[ll]BL[854.387]OB[20] ;W[po]WL[743.037]C[indianayk [5d\]: t6 ] ;B[lo]BL[839.124]OB[19] ;W[lp]WL[732.237] ;B[sn]BL[835.792]OB[18] ;W[sm]WL[706.953] ;B[so]BL[820.585]OB[17] ;W[rj]WL[704.579]C[indianayk [5d\]: l9 ] ;B[kk]BL[790.514]OB[16] ;W[kj]WL[699.715] ;B[cl]BL[772.453]OB[15] ;W[mg]WL[686.793] ;B[lg]BL[765.498]OB[14] ;W[ad]WL[672.047] ;B[da]BL[755.892]OB[13] ;W[bc]WL[663.19] ;B[aa]BL[753.291]OB[12] ;W[ak]WL[660.314] ;B[al]BL[750.471]OB[11] ;W[aj]WL[658.314] ;B[js]BL[737.472]OB[10] ;W[ks]WL[655.674] ;B[hs]BL[726.967]OB[9] ;W[gj]WL[652.982] ;B[ij]BL[722.381]OB[8] ;W[sd]WL[650.68] ;B[qa]BL[718.239]OB[7] ;W[sc]WL[648.515]C[Baium [2k\]: game for tournament or not? AmerBeton [9k?\]: it's over ] ;B[qp]BL[688.78]OB[6] ;W[]WL[648.514] ;B[]BL[688.779]OB[5]TW[cc][rc][cd][dd][rd][ae][be][de][ee][se][af][bf][cf][df][ef][ff][gf][qf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][eg][fg][pg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ai][ci][di][ei][fi][ni][pi][ri][si][cj][dj][ej][lj][mj][sj][ek][fk][sk][el][gl][rl][sl][fm][hm][im][fn][hn][in][jn][nn][ho][io][jo][oo][jp][kp][mp][np][op][jq][lq][mq][oq][kr][lr][mr][nr][ls][ms][ns]TB[ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][mb][nb][ob][hc][ic][kc][lc][mc][nc][oc][hd][id][jd][kd][ld][md][nd][od][je][le][me][ne][oe][jf][kf][lf][kg][kl][ol][am][bm][cm][an][cn][ao][co][ap][bp][dp][ep][sp][aq][bq][cq][dq][fq][gq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][gr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][ss]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: muchas gracias Conqueror1 [4d\]: muy bién pototo120 [10k\]: felicitaciones a los dos santiago [-\]: felicitaciones aguilar1 [6d\]: gracias Conqueror1 [4d\]: no resulto bién el cambio del centro aguilar1 [6d\]: no, creo que no fue bueno jugar en gote en el rincón ]) (;B[fi]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá estaba esto ] ;W[fk]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: veamos ] ;B[hg] ;W[fh] ;B[if] ;W[ff]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esto era muy grande Conqueror1 [4d\]: si claro Conqueror1 [4d\]: c5 también es grande Conqueror1 [4d\]: pero no tanto parece ] (;B[bo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ahora sí esta ]) (;B[jr]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: o bien esta Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: de todos modos, parece que Blanco tiene un poco de ventaja, no? Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: es cierto que ese ponnuki del centro fue muy grande Conqueror1 [4d\]: o6 tengo dudas Conqueror1 [4d\]: no sabia que jugar en ese momento ]))) (;B[ec]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta era buena ] ;W[cc]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si ] (;B[hg]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: tenia aji aguilar1 [6d\]: esta era posible ]) (;B[fk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: o bien esta ] ;W[fi] ;B[gk] ;W[ek] (;B[hm] ;W[fm]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: esa la pensé primero ] ;B[hn]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: algo así tal vez Conqueror1 [4d\]: pero pensaba cortar en f 7 ]) (;B[fm]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: después me decidí por el cambio total Conqueror1 [4d\]: si esa aguilar1 [6d\]: así? ] ;W[el] (;B[hm] ;W[gn] ;B[hn]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: g6 Conqueror1 [4d\]: mia ]) (;B[gn]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? ] ;W[hm]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si ] ;B[fn]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: entiendo Conqueror1 [4d\]: pensaba jugar así ] ;W[ko]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así tal vez ahora Conqueror1 [4d\]: tienes bastante territorio así también Conqueror1 [4d\]: así no alcanza creo Conqueror1 [4d\]: definitivamente regalar el centro fué demasiado grande aguilar1 [6d\]: sí, parece un poco mejor Blanco acá aguilar1 [6d\]: pero no mucho Conqueror1 [4d\]: creo que debí jugar la conexion cuando diste atari Conqueror1 [4d\]: en h8 Conqueror1 [4d\]: desde el principio ]))))) (;B[gk] ;W[jj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: puede ser Conqueror1 [4d\]: y conectar me imagino ] ;B[hm] ;W[fm] ;B[im]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: algo así? Conqueror1 [4d\]: claro ] ;W[eb]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: mi plan era jugar acá Conqueror1 [4d\]: si me imaginaba aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es muy grande Conqueror1 [4d\]: por eso traté de hacer el cambio aguilar1 [6d\]: claro Conqueror1 [4d\]: y tomar los puntos de yose ])) (;B[if]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé que jugarías acá ] ;W[hg] (;B[hk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y luego salir, simplemente Conqueror1 [4d\]: la dejé de aji Conqueror1 [4d\]: para salir por el otro lado aguilar1 [6d\]: sí, entiendo ]) (;B[db]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: se podría jugar acá ahora mismo tal vez ] ;W[cb] ;B[ec] ;W[cc]LB[eb:A]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esto hace que Blanco A sea gote ] ;B[hk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y ahora salir Conqueror1 [4d\]: pesé que era peligroso un ataque sobre mis piedras de abajo aguilar1 [6d\]: en el centro no hay territorio para ninguno de los dos Conqueror1 [4d\]: por eso traté de salir por el otro lado aguilar1 [6d\]: ah Conqueror1 [4d\]: f4 o algo así ] ;W[jl]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: yo pensaba jugar así ] ;B[hm] ;W[ir]SQ[ke]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y así, tal vez Conqueror1 [4d\]: mm Conqueror1 [4d\]: haces bastantes puntos así también aguilar1 [6d\]: parece que Blanco tiene un poco de ventaja acá también aguilar1 [6d\]: el problema tal vez viene de antes Conqueror1 [4d\]: si Conqueror1 [4d\]: vemos el fuseki aguilar1 [6d\]: la piedra de L15 quedó sobreconcentrada ]))) (;B[ff]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: mmm, algo así es lo que yo querría ] ;W[gj]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: este punto es muy bueno Conqueror1 [4d\]: se vuelve fuerte el corte Conqueror1 [4d\]: entiendo aguilar1 [6d\]: claro ])) (;B[mg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: se podría jugar así ] ;W[mh] ;B[gj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y ahora así Conqueror1 [4d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: creo que esto es razonable para Negro aguilar1 [6d\]: está parejo Conqueror1 [4d\]: después del keima tuve otra idea tal vez era mejor ])) (;B[pg]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: finalmente creí que la ignorabas y ya aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? Conqueror1 [4d\]: si ] ;W[ph]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: jugaría así probablemente ] ;B[og] ;W[kd]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y así Conqueror1 [4d\]: si ])) (;B[qe]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: yo esperaba esta ] ;W[re] ;B[rf] ;W[qf] ;B[pe] ;W[rg] ;B[rd] ;W[sf] ;B[rc]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: algo así tal vez ] ;W[cn]C[Conqueror1 [4d\]: si entiendo aguilar1 [6d\]: probablemente continuaría así aguilar1 [6d\]: creo que esto da juego parejo ])) (;B[qf]LB[rh:A]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta me molestaría bastante Conqueror1 [4d\]: si la pensé aguilar1 [6d\]: Negro apunta a atacar con A ]))